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René Sellmann's avatar

One of the European high quality names I have yet to take a closer look at! I know so many quality-focused investors who like the business a lot.

Wolf of Harcourt Street's avatar

Now is probably a good time to take a look. I know you follow Wise closely so shouldn’t take you long to get up to speed with this fintech.

Manuel Walz's avatar

I really like Adyen at this level. If there weren't any uncertainty, the stock price would be somewhere else entirely. But that's exactly where the opportunity lies. Although, to be honest, I think the level of uncertainty is way overblown. I really like the company's VERY long-term approach. It's countercyclical by nature.

James Emanuel's avatar

I recently analysed Adyen and came out at a stronger valuation than you. I don't use DCF. If you are interested, https://rockandturner.substack.com/p/adyen-king-of-payments?utm_source=publication-search

Wolf of Harcourt Street's avatar

I think a 21% revenue CAGR until 2031 and assuming multiple expansion is very much on the optimistic side. My assumptions are much more conservative.

James Emanuel's avatar

It's a fair call, but my assumption is based on:

- Non-organic growth (it is making acquisitions now)

- Agentic commerce (a huge tailwind)

- Unified Commerce and Platforms are still growing strongly

- The banking licenses that fundamentally change the shape of the business

Adyen has such a huge opportunity to grow into.

It has sustained growth over 20% for the last 20 years, another 5 years is not so much of a stretch.

Wolf of Harcourt Street's avatar

Agree with all those streams bar non-organic growth. If you are including non-organic growth in your valuation then you have not considered the cost of it anywhere. That’s either a payout from FCF or increased dilution.

James Emanuel's avatar

Adyen have built a huge cash pile over the years. No dividends. No repurchases. Just a war chest.

They have come under attack from investors and analysts for not putting it to work or not returning it to shareholders.

Now they are putting it to work.

Dilution isn't an issue.

Free cash flow, when calculated properly, should be operating cash flows less 'maintenance capex' (minus other things outside the scope of this discussion).

Applying capital to accretive acquisitions is growth capex. It is an investment.

So I do not agree with your assertion.

Adyen has grown for 20 years entirely organically at well over 20%. Even if organic growth rates slow due to the laws of large numbers (which isn't a certainty given the huge TAM and new revenue streams opening up), then the residual organic growth will be augmented by inorganic growth.

I don't think my assumptions for the next 5 years are unreasonable. In fact, they may be too conservative.

Remember that I am looking at CAGR. It doesn't need to be linear. Growth could slow for a year or two, then expand significantly due to agentic commerce, before slowing again. That would give the 5 year CAGR I am looking for.

Anyway, earnings are out on Thursday 13th Aug, so let's see what progress is being made.

Salva's avatar

Where is the tax expense here? (unless its a pre tax discount rate)

Wolf of Harcourt Street's avatar

Good spot. The model uses an EBITDA-based FCF conversion approach rather than a traditional EBIT-to-FCF bridge. The main reason is that Adyen's working capital movements are unusual due to the merchant funds it holds on behalf of customers, which can create significant volatility in reported cash flows that does not reflect the underlying economics of the business.

For an asset-light payments business like Adyen, I felt EBITDA less CapEx and lease payments was a cleaner way to assess the underlying cash-generating ability of the business, while avoiding distortions from merchant fund movements.

Rubenslash's avatar

Would also add Checkout to the list of competitors. They're doing pretty well and Spotify moved significant volume from Adyen to Checkout for instance. Don't think this impact the forward assumptions in your model, they seem fair to me.

Wolf of Harcourt Street's avatar

Agreed, good one to add to the list

JensDev's avatar

Thanks for the write-up! Very much in line with my thinking. I have them generating between €2.4B and €2.6B in FCF in FY30, ending that year with around €12B in net cash. From current levels, I expect to achieve 15-20% yield per year througout FY30, excluding any share buybacks that could further boost that yield. Adyen is my largest position.

Wolf of Harcourt Street's avatar

Agreed, I really don’t think much has to go right for this to provide solid returns from here.